Saturday 29 September 2012

Killer Arguments Against LVT, Not (240)

Mr G at HPC:

I am not dismissing the case for LVT but I am still of the opinion that the political elite will simply use it as another means of shafting the majority instead of a means of fairer taxation.

True, but that's just a question of voting for proper pro-LVT party which intends to reduce the total tax burden to its barest minimum, i.e. to only levy taxes on state-protected wealth transfers, so the only publicly collected taxes are taxes on those taxes which are currently collected privately, primarily land rents but also certain specific categories of state-protected monopoly income (patents, airport landing slots, radio frequency etc).

We don't need to re-invent the wheel each time, as Switzerland has a perfectly good working model for such a "tax cap" or "lump sum taxation" based on the rental value of land you occupy:

Non-working foreigners resident in Switzerland may choose to pay a "lump-sum tax" instead of the normal income tax. The tax, which is generally much lower than the normal income tax, is nominally levied on the taxpayer's living expenses, but in practice (which varies from canton to canton), it is common to use the quintuple of the rent paid by the taxpayer as a basis for the lump-sum taxation. This option contributes to Switzerland's status as a tax haven, and has induced many wealthy foreigners to live in Switzerland."

So if wealthy foreigner chooses to live in a house with a rental value of CHF 50,000 a year, his notional income is CHF 250,000 and he pays tax at the normal rates (between 30% and 40%) on that, so he pays CHF 75,000 - CHF 100,000 a year, end of discussion. It matters not whether that foreigner actually earns CHF 1 million or CHF 10 million a year.

There's no reason why any country couldn't do this for everybody, it would be an administrative nightmare, but just as a thought experiment:

a) Each business works out how much PAYE, VAT, corporation tax, Business Rates it would have to pay and compares this with a "lump sum" of (say) double its Business Rates bill (Business Rates being pretty close to LVT) with a full refund of input-VAT incurred. Ninety-nine per cent of businesses would prefer to pay double Business Rates (which would be about ten or twenty per cent of its normal tax bill, that's just a fact) and pay out salaries gross and retain all profits tax-free.

b) Then each employee has the choice of having full PAYE deducted from his salary, or to pay whatever the notional LVT would be on his home. Clearly, low paid people in expensive houses will prefer to just have PAYE deducted, but for most people, the LVT amount would be far less, that's basic maths.

e.g. a couple earns £20,000 each and owns an 'average' house currently worth £200,000 on which the notional LVT is 7% x £200,000 = £14,000 minus two personal allowances of £3,500 each = £7,000. The compare this with two lots of PAYE of £3,868, meaning that they will have to ask their employer to also pay £1,727 in Employer's NIC, who will respond by giving such people lower pay rises in future; and such non-LVT payers will also have to pay normal Council Tax.

c) Tenants own no land, so their notional LVT bill is quite clearly £ nil and they will just be paid gross. No doubt landlords will bump up their rents accordingly, but the landlord will have to pay the tax instead. Or he can quote a lower net rent and agree with the tenants that they pay the LVT, that does not affect the economic incidence of the tax.

d) The Homeys will then counter that "everybody will scramble to sell his house and rent a house with the lowest rental value" which is nonsense of course. That's like saying "If second hand Vauxhalls were cheaper than new Mercedes cars, then all rich people would stop buying Mercedes cars and buy second hand Vauxhalls instead".

e) I can't be bothered to do the calculations for the change in the amount of tax collected, but over time we would observe that people choose to live in houses on which the tax bill is slightly lower than their current PAYE + Council Tax bill. This is exactly the same as observing that housing is a normal good; the mortgage which first time buyers apply for is a fairly fixed multiple of their incomes at any one time, so people are quite voluntarily paying privately collected tax (mortgage repayments) which are a fairly fixed proportion of their net income (about thirty per cent), even though they could reduce this by buying somewhere smaller or in a less desirable area. There's no reason to assume that this will change, just because of the fact that mortgage payments are much lower and the publicly collected tax thereon is higher, especially if people have a lot more pre-tax income to splash around.

f) Hey presto, over the years, paying LVT will become the "new normal" and then all that remains is to sneakily bump up the income tax rate towards 100%, which will affect fewer and fewer people as most people's tax liability will be capped anyway.

8 comments:

WitteringsfromWitney said...

Excellent article MW - filed for future reference re progression of Harrogate demands.

Mark Wadsworth said...

WFW, thanks, this is just a thought experiment. Another one is to simply build so much nice council housing at affordable rents on secure tenancies that people just don't want to buy houses or pay rent to private landlords any more.

WitteringsfromWitney said...

My pleasure. If we are talking compliments, perhaps you missed:

http://witteringsfromwitney.com/why-2/

:)

DBC Reed said...

@MW
What gets me is that nice council housing was taken off the Westminster Board Game just at the time when computers and the Net started getting invented.If the premise of Steampunk fiction is that electricity did n't get invented but everything else: steam, clockwork etc grew in sophistication in its absence then you can imagine a world where selling council houses was n't invented.In this scenario you could turn on your computer and look up comparable local authority houses anywhere in the country. Or Europe (if you're a Europhile) Or the Commonwealth if you're a post-Empire loyalist. And take off over a weekend.
Transfers were the sticking point of the old council house system which I used for a year or so.
Seems to me that with the present low turnover of freehold houses,mobility is down even further.

Mark Wadsworth said...

DBC, what's the Westminster Board Game?

One upside of everybody living in a council house* (or renting their business premises from Crown Estates) is that the Home-Owner-Ists would on the one hand be wailing that rents are too high, it's an attack on wealth etc, but on the other they'd be wailing that rents are too low, and that people like Bob Crow should be paying more rent, or that low rents encourage young women to become single mothers etc.

* If you don't like the architecture, then you are free to just rent a plot and build your own house. You can sell such a house to anybody you like, provided he takes over responsibility for paying the ground rent.

DBC Reed said...

The Westminster Game is a reference to one of CP Snow's novels in which he dismisses parliamentary politics as a board game that comes in a box at Christmas and has silly rules.
I got into my usual argument on landcafe ,this time when I argued that Crown Estates should take over all the Belgravia etc squares and terraces belonging to the Grosvenor,Portman ,de Walden etc estates and let them out cheap to the nurses ,teachers, chartered tax advisors and retired FE lecturers who contribute so much to society.This went down like the proverbial with the usual references to state functionaries& bureaucrats and, no doubt, the knock on the door at two o'clock from the Secret Police.
But if Crown Estates were to take over existing property and let it out so that you could not tell in an established street which was Council or Crown and which was private it would blur the lines of snobbery which divide off Council estates still ,though only a few houses are not privately owned in some places.Snobbery, as JK Rowling says, is the strongest motivation in English society (can't speak for the other UK countries) and should be factored into the equation.Not all council housing(or better "Crown Housing" to get snobs onside) should be new-build.Taking empty eye-sore houses in poshish streets and doing them up for Crown tenancies should be the first move .(Robert Maxwell said he lived in a council house when he let a stately pile off Oxford Council ,either City or County).While we have a monarchy we should press its good name into service to make respectable State institutions that we like the sound of.

Mark Wadsworth said...

DBC, sure, we can blur the lines as much as we want, we can have council housing for the run of the mill workers, housing association housing for white collar workers, Crown Estate housing for snobs, MoD housing for serving soldiers, rest homes for retired FE lecturers, self-builders can rent their own plots of land and build what they like on it, we can have student accommodation, hostels for the ne'er do-wells and so on etc.

Robin Smith said...

He's exactly correct.

If people have not decided that rent seeking is a bad idea, no policy, no matter how perfect, will ever work.

Ive been explaining this very simple psychology for some time now. No one is listening.

The Matrix.